legally signing off third party work - how?

[M107]

I was asked today if I could sign off for part p a rewire that somebody else had undertaken.

I said I'd only do a periodic especialy when I was told the name of the bloke thats done the work, he's a kitchen fitter who dabbles with sparking, no formal quals or training.....

This is what I found on the last kitchen job he'd done to extend the ringmain.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j293/gazjothomas/pir%20pics/JBburiedinplaster.jpg

I was actualy called as the home owners wife got a belt that sent her across the room when she was turning up the hob & switching on the kettle at the socket (seen in the picture)at the same time...got a picture somewhere of the meter connected between the chrome front of the socket & one of the hob dials..the display shows 241v

I did report it to BC but sod all came of it.

Have a good mind to report the latest work as it's not certed & not notified, property owner said not to worry about me undertaking a pir as he was thinking a cost of

 

[a1spark]

I can see your predicament Cirrus,but it can only be a P.I.R from you cant it.

Either way thats some serious rewire on a domestic property isnt it ?..16 K. Plus ...what sort of spec is it ?

 

[a1spark]

M107. I would have offered him A visual condition Report for his

 

[kme]

I have heard tell of a guy in the midlands who will issue a cert. over the phone!!

Never leaves the office, and,AFAIK, doesn`t own any meters whatsoever.

Its an extreme case of exactly the same thing.

Compare it to driving your car on the opposite side of the road. It may be against the law, but it will be perfectly safe - until something comes the other way.

Signing for I&T is one thing.......but saying you designed & constructed someone else`s work?? IMO, your friend is about as stupid as it is possible to be - not to mention fraudulent.

He doesn`t know what has been done within the fabric of the building - doesn`t know the cable routes, and if they comply. If he is VERY diligent, he *may* know the cable lengths, but I would doubt it. Similarly, if he did 100% inspection of every accessory, he would know, to a certain extent, the likelihood of the acceptability of the wiring as a whole - but not with any degree of certainty.

One thing for your friend to remember - if a house burns down; or someone dies, at a property with HIS name on the paperwork, he will come across one of the quirks of the legal system:

Innocent until proven guilty? Not for us. We have to be able to prove that everything we did was correct. If you can`t prove it, you may be held liable.

KME

 

[Cirrus]

I can see your predicament Cirrus,but it can only be a P.I.R from you cant it.Either way thats some serious rewire on a domestic property isnt it ?..16 K. Plus ...what sort of spec is it ?

It is a house probably worth around

 

[davetheglitz]

a friend of mine is signing off a builders electrical work and says he can as hes with napit, has 2391 and PI insurance. im with elecsa and ive always been under the impression that the scam/scheme providers are for SELF certifying. is he right or am i.if i am, whats the legal way of doin it?, if theres is a legal way

cheers wayne

An electrical firm may only have one fully qualified inspector and tester who signs for everything. He's either daft or has sufficient confidence that his blokes are working in a safe manner and he is happy to inspect and sign - from my experience most just sign and get their blokes to do the measurements.

I can't see that this is any different to working with a builder of kitchen fitter in whom you have confidence - and then inspecting and issuing an EIC.

However - if the customer has used another sparky who's walked - or has done the job himself - PIR is all you should do.

 

[rugbymacc]

ripped off napits web site.

can I carry out third party electrical testing & inspecting?

NAPIT membership includes third party inspection and testing as long as the member is fully qualified and has the relevant experience to carry out this service and is present at first & second fix. When completing the Electrical Installation Certificate, in the case of a 3-part certificate only the 'inspection and testing' portion should be completed, if using the NAPIT Electrical Certificate you should indicate in the 'limitations' section that the certificate does not cover design or construction. In each case the details of the installer should be included on the certificate.

Please note that this approach should not be used to notify work under Part P as this is not allowed. See the question & answer below. Members carrying out third party inspecting and testing must also have

 

[binky]

Encouraging builders to do the work - highly foolish unless you can supervise it. Changing CUs and issueing EICs (marked CU change only) dubious but provided it has been carefully annotated ie electrics installed by A.N.Other I would consider doing this at a price to include time spent inspecting work done thouroughly.