PIR time

[sellers]

How long roughly is a PIR on a 3bed semi? I'm thinking half a day??

Opinions?

 

[kme]

It depends on a number of factors; including:

1. The number & type of circuits.

2. How much stuff you have to move around to access ALL the socket outlets and light fittings.

3. How experienced at domestic PIRs.

4. The age of the installation could play a part, too.

For example, a 30 yr old install, on a wylex 3036 board, 6 way with cooker, immersion (which has been converted to radial sockets), 1 ring main, 2 lighting circuits & 1 garage circuit. Remeber to include paperwork time in your allowance (nobody else will pay for the time you`re in the office writing their cert!!!)

I`d allow 1 full day if the property is occupied, especially if there are add-ons, and "hidden" loads to find and disconnect.

If you`ve not done too many of these, 1 day MIGHT not be enough!

HTH

KME

 

[Tooold]

I agree with kme if you do it right, sadly round here landlords and the like want it for less than half a day so I dont get many!! The other thing I do is a visual condition report usually for client selling, buying or thinking of renting out. This gives you a chance to make reccomendations and give an estimate for any reccomended works. I do try to stay a bit longer and test a few things. Again not much of a price but a foot in the door. Hope this helps

 

[Evans Electric]

Did A Victorian terrace last Friday, empty, to be let . Self and partner went as there were posh light fittings to install and then PIR. Still took 4 hours to PIR with looking at a couple of iffy bits.

 

[green-hornet]

This is always very tricky, you have to remember that if you find a fault on the 20% then you need to investigate further. This is all extra time and extra effort.

Again to do the job properly, you have to allow for all the time you can effectivly afford to give to one job.

In days gone by, you would realistically charge a full days labour for a pir, and have the time to inspect everything, if its ok you finish early, and gain a little bonus.

However in todays market you will find some people doing pir's for about (well I dont know maybe a fiver) well thats how much they are worth, so you have to be competative as well.

I quoted recently for a PIR on a nursing home, me and another two local "registered" companies quoted about the same price give or take

 

[batty]

This is always very tricky, you have to remember that if you find a fault on the 20% then you need to investigate further. This is all extra time and extra effort.Again to do the job properly, you have to allow for all the time you can effectivly afford to give to one job.

In days gone by, you would realistically charge a full days labour for a pir, and have the time to inspect everything, if its ok you finish early, and gain a little bonus.

However in todays market you will find some people doing pir's for about (well I dont know maybe a fiver) well thats how much they are worth, so you have to be competative as well.

I quoted recently for a PIR on a nursing home, me and another two local "registered" companies quoted about the same price give or take

 

[Theorysparky]

a day

 

[green-hornet]

a day

:^O short and sweet and to the point as ever :^O

 

[wigan]

Price for 1/2 day it's a Periodic INSPECTION Report minimal testing.

I would make sure earthing/cpc ok

IR Test on board

Ze

then Zs test each circuit

report and code

end of the day the quicker you are the more you can do so can quote cheaper if need

Watch your coding if not compliant with 17th code as such. Try to find out the age of the installation and if it complies with the standards at the time.

saves you condemning stuff unnecessarily and getting poor reputation

 

[kme]

Price for 1/2 day it's a Periodic INSPECTION Report minimal testing.I would make sure earthing/cpc ok

IR Test on board

Ze

then Zs test each circuit

report and code

end of the day the quicker you are the more you can do so can quote cheaper if need

Watch your coding if not compliant with 17th code as such. Try to find out the age of the installation and if it complies with the standards at the time.

saves you condemning stuff unnecessarily and getting poor reputation

Mr. Wigan:

Could we please try to ensure our information is accurate?

A "visual condition report" is one thing; a "periodic inspection report" is quite another.

Are you suggesting that you wouldn`t **bother** doing r1+r2 / r2?

Or the 10% / 20% of items to dismantle to visually check?

Or polarity even???

This means that theoretically, you could do a PIR on an installation, pass it with your tests, and approve it for another X years service with potentially dangerous faults.

Thats ok though, it is YOUR name on the cert.

However, we do try to answer questions with answers that are not only to regs, but also to include good practice; which does not equate to shortcuts.

O/P - it is entirely up to you how you choose to test & inspect. You can do it in 3 hours perhaps, if you go the route Mr. Wigan suggests, Whereas I may be there all day.

n.b. You COULD do an IR test at the board but:

A) it HAS to be a "limilations" test, as you cannot test Phase - Neutral.

B) If that test gives a result of 0.00Mohms, you HAVE to either go looking for the fault, or stop testing. Every test relies on safe and correct results from the preceeding test. Therefore, you can`t say "oh, it fails the insul test P+N-E. Never mind, lets do Zs!"

Just my opinion, however. We each do things a little differently.

KME

 

[Zeespark]

I just did a job for My driving instructor (a bit of T&I and accessory replacement) and she is now ruing the day she didnt call Me in as I go over things like this with a fine tooth comb.

AndyGuinness

 

[PC Electrics]

Personally I do not consider a PIR to be a proper job unless inspection is carried out at a minimum of 70% of accessories. Invariably this requires a day in the situation you describe.

If you're going to sign up a PIR with 10 years interval on it, to me it seems ludicrous to inspect only 10% or 20% of accessories. This percentage is fair enough on a commercial or industrial install where there are maintenance programms and inspections at 1 or 3 year intervals (so the accessories that are inspected can be changed each time). But on a domestic where it will simply be left to fester till something goes wrong....well I'm not putting my name to it.

Maybe that's why I don't get many PIRs to do - but those I do are very thorough. "Fine tooth comb" as someone else said.

 

[wigan]

KME,

Perhaps I could have phrased it better, was only giving rough outline Blushing

 

[M107]

I always give a day for a periodic, if I complete before time a bonus for me.

 

[calvin26]

The guy in charge of the electrical section in my place reckons you can do eight a day. Don't think you can even read the section in the on site guide that quick. headbangROTFWL

 

[danatt]

hi all,

i was just wondering when you do a PIR does the main gas and water have to be bonded to pass?

 

[Andy™]

lack of bonding would usually be a code 2 - unsatisfactory