Pir

[m4tty]

Hi,

Once you have issued a pir and sent to client is there any way it can be voided?

Thanks

 

[Lee321]

not really. why just some mistakes on the form? inform and sens again?

 

[m4tty]

Non payment But it was the builder that's knocked me not the social club it was done for.

 

[Lee321]

same as taking work out, legally you can't :red card

 

[Revved Up Sparky]

Would it be an inappropriate/ unwise business practice to hold onto test certificates until full payment has been made ?. They could be sent with the receipt ?.... just an idea.

 

[Lee321]

go see the social club tell them the cert will be shown as void on "the system". underhand? yes but so is the builder receiving money for work you did then not passing it on. don't get me started

 

[Theorysparky]

Has the job been finished by the builder ???

 

[Andy™]

Hi,Once you have issued a pir and sent to client is there any way it can be voided?

Thanks

not unless you dated next inspection in 2 weeks time...

 

[fletchflash]

Would it be an inappropriate/ unwise business practice to hold onto test certificates until full payment has been made ?. They could be sent with the receipt ?.... just an idea.

Thats generally what i try to do, once works complete invoice then send cert on when paid. Bit of an incentive, although a lot of people couldnt really give a toss if they have a certificate or not.

Unfortunately i didnt do these when i did some work for a builder last November time. Gave him it so building could be signed off. BIG mistake, still waiting for

 

[m4tty]

Has the job been finished by the builder ???

Right i think ive worked out whats happened here.

When i turned up at the job, the builder told me the sparks who installed was having money problems, business going under, depression, marriage breakup etc and could I sign his work off. I said NO cant sign off others work but PIR can be done if it will suffice. He agreed to PIR. Now I think he's knocked the spark who installed and now he has knocked me.

This is the first time ive been knocked and hes NOT getting away with it. Ill try the legal way and if that dont work then you can sure guess whats going to happen. No comment.

Ive drafted this letter to stir the sticky stuff a little. Please can you give feedback. I know its not the right way to go about it but not sure what else I can do. I know that I cannot cancel the PIR but maybe the social club will get worried and he definitely wont get work again and news will spread fast in his little village hopefully sending him bust. As hes a lying ar%

 

[damo-p]

i hope it works for you but i think you may be putting yourself in line for a bit of a kick up the ass if they do a bit of research and find ot that it is not possible for that to happen remember you dont want to give your own business a bad name either which the word can spread just as fast i would personally threaten the builder with legal action.

Thats my thoughts anyway. Hope you get it sorted

 

[PC Electrics]

Go to the club and ask if you can check some details on the PIR. Make up an excuse - it didn't print properly - your carbon copy didn't come through - anything so you can get your mitts on your original. Pour over it for 10 or 15 seconds in front of the club secretary (or whoever gives it to you) and then in one swift action, tear into pieces and stuff it in your poche.

Then hand over a letter explaining that you haven't been paid and that you're not going to provide the document until you are.

Oh, do this in private so afterward you can make out it never happened. You never handed over any PIR!!

AFAIAC it's your intellectual property until you are paid.

 

[SteveT]

Matty, much of the advice is ok.

Generally you cant enforce a contract with a third party (Privity of contract rules), However if a middle man is acting as an agent of the original contracting party i.e. the builder is allowed to bring in labour on behalf of the club, then you would have some redress against the club. BUT, as they have paid the builder, they have discharged their responsibility under the contract and your beef is with the builder as you are aware.

You are at liberty to inform the club - it would be up to them if they wish to use the builder again - maybe next time direct to you for PIR.

Do not rip up PIR or attempt to rescind it - unfortunately that is now the property of the club.

Be careful badmouthing the builder - you need to be on firm ground - that includes being able to prove any allegations, or you could be the one being sued!.

The proper route is throught the small claims court (

 

[Ali]

Hi Matty,

What a nasty situation.

I've found sometimes that an easy way to get this kind of problem sorted is to go onto the small claims court website and print out a form to start a claim (it used to be called form N1, don't know if it's still called that now). I fill it in as if I am going to send it in and start the legal process, then photocopy it and send a copy to the builder explaining that if I don't receive payment in the next 7 days I will send it to the small claims court. Sometimes it makes people realise that you are taking the debt seriously and know how to persue it properly.

If the ****** doesn't pay, it's really easy to go throught the small claims court (assuming he doesn't owe you too much for that) but you have to pay a fee to start with which will hopefully be collected from him when he pays up. If he keeps not paying and the court agrees with you, you can get them to send the baylifs round - although there is a fee for that as well, but not too much.

I'd try to stay as legal as possible, just so you know how the system works in case you need to do the same thing agsin with someone who is a lot bigger and nastier than you, with lots of nasty mates!

Good luck

 

[Lee321]

word of caution as you know i went through the small claims all the way to the bailliff stage and still no payment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so you should concider loosing even more money in fees if he doesn't pay

 

[Dunx]

Hi mate,

I had a similar situation and i wrote to the 'end user as well. But i put something like, Joe bloggs the builder contracted me to do X which i have done, however he has not paid me the x

 

[S60TEM]

I would have overprinted (watermarked) the first cert with the words "DRAFT COPY UNTIL PAID FOR IN FULL" and then NOT signed or dated the cert or put in your scam membership number. Then once paid, print out the proper cert, signed dated etc and posted.

 

[ProDave]

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[Lee321]

have you tried to do it dave? if the property owner /manager resisted and called old bill you would be stopped

 

[ProDave]

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