please read this, your opinions are needed.

[VoltzElectrical]

I have been selected to take part in an online forum by the IET about the state of the industry. If you have anything you wish to raise then please detail them in BULLET FORM. I will then raise these in the forum on Wednesday evening.

Please no long narrative rants, just succinct bullet points.

Thanks, and lets hope this can change things!

 

[Manator]

I am going to make this a temporary sticky.

 

[ProDave]

I may have missed the point but here goes:

[bullet point] What (if anything) is the IET doing to persuade all DNO's to fit isolators to their supply installations?

[bullet point] Related to the above, what (if anything) are the IET doing to persuade the industry, that the next generation of smart meters should include an isolator?

[bullet Point] Again related to the above. What (if anything) are the IET doing to persuade ALL DNO's to allow qualified electricians to break the seal and pull the main fuse for safe isolation in the event of no other isolator being available? (e.g some DNO's like SSE allow this, others do not)

 

[VoltzElectrical]

I may have missed the point but here goes:[bullet point] What (if anything) is the IET doing to persuade all DNO's to fit isolators to their supply installations?

[bullet point] Related to the above, what (if anything) are the IET doing to persuade the industry, that the next generation of smart meters should include an isolator?

[bullet Point] Again related to the above. What (if anything) are the IET doing to persuade ALL DNO's to allow qualified electricians to break the seal and pull the main fuse for safe isolation in the event of no other isolator being available? (e.g some DNO's like SSE allow this, others do not)

excellent points, all made note of, just what I was after. Thanks.

 

[PC Electrics]

Why did the IET introduce a regulation into amd 1 that requires the DNOs process to be followed for pulling the main fuse? They have effectively given the DNOs a reason NOT to have an isolator on a silver platter.

 

[VoltzElectrical]

Why did the IET introduce a regulation into amd 1 that requires the DNOs process to be followed for pulling the main fuse? They have effectively given the DNOs a reason NOT to have an isolator on a silver platter.

sounds interesting, but I am not familiar with this. Can you familiarize me in a quick, succinct way?

 

[kerching]

What Rob Roy said plus

bullet point........Why can the sale of electrical materials NOT be restricted to qualified electricians?

 

[VoltzElectrical]

What Rob Roy said plusbullet point........Why can the sale of electrical materials NOT be restricted to qualified electricians?

what did rob roy say? i take your point but it won't make the list unfortunately because of the many points made in previous threads about this already.

thanks.

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so are we all in favour of a 'registered electricians scheme then?

on an equal footing with gas-safe?

What do those guys pay? and how often? What professional back-up do they get?

It seems to me that we need to align ourselves with the gas industry for fair treatment and public acknowledgment?

Your thoughts please.

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bump, come on guys!

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

Anecdotal evidence from internat forums and conversations with others in the trade suggest educational standards are slipping within the industry. As the industry gets ever more complex and more electrical items used through home and industry......

• Does the IET have any concerns about the general levels of competence, specifically with relation to fast track "Part P" self certification electrician courses provided by countless training providers?
  

• Is the IET aware of any apparent dumbing down of understanding of basic fundamental electrical principals within the industry?
  

• Do they feel the various approved bodies do enough to fully assess and weed out less competent persons?
  

• Part P was supposed to raise safety standards for the homeowner, Does the IET feel this is being achieved with many fast track electricians who have to ask on forums how to design or fault find a simple domestic installation?
  

 

[steptoe]

as spec-loc

# how does the IET feel about having a person prove competence by carrying out a few "classroom tests" on an installation that could have been carried out by 'anyone' ?

# how does the IET feel about having a proper licencing system put in place , ie, the person holds the licence, not the firm. ( I believe gas-safe is in this manner, as are most other modernised countries )

 

[samson337]

To be honest sw. There may be loads of fast track guys out there who are very competent, and loads that aren't.

But with work the way it is now, we all have to turn our hand to different things, and that might be working out of the electrical trade to put food on the table.

So after a period time out, even the best out there have to ask a question or two to what seems simple to others .

But I agree training should be more intense. And exams should be harder to pass. Coz after all this stuff kills

 

[VoltzElectrical]

special-location and steptoe, I thank you both for your input and have made a note of your points.

regards,

 

[M107]

Does the IET think scheme operators have done enough mainstream advertising of part P to the general public.

As per ProDave on the isolators.

 

[Manator]

I would like to see independent assessments, pass and join any scheme you like, but not tested by them.

 

[VoltzElectrical]

Does the IET think scheme operators have done enough mainstream advertising of part P to the general public.As per ProDave on the isolators.

point taken onboard and thanks.

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

special-location and steptoe, I thank you both for your input and have made a note of your points.regards,

I will look forward to any answers that you get back....

TBH I am not holding my breath too much....

But you never know....

 

[VoltzElectrical]

I would like to see independent assessments, pass and join any scheme you like, but not tested by them.

probably one of the best suggestions yet. one to be put to the MP's and probably more appropriately the trading standards. Do you think we could make a case for it?

 

[kerching]

Rob Roy = Pro Dave sorry...subtle [too subtle] allusion to his Scots origins

Gas safe have to be retested every few years, they have seperate certs for

combi boilers

std boilers

gas cookers

gas fires

gas water heaters

and then all the above again for LPG

then all the above again for 'Lesisure' caravans etc

tantamount to a spark only being certed for cookers and lights but NOT sockets...I don't thinke we would stand for that........... :coat

 

[NozSpark]

I would like to see independent assessments, pass and join any scheme you like, but not tested by them.

For the individual and not the organisation

and maybe do it under one banner like Gas Safe... E.g. Elec Safe by NICEIC - Elec Safe by NAPIT etc

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Rob Roy = Pro Dave sorry...subtle [too subtle] allusion to his Scots originsGas safe have to be retested every few years, they have seperate certs for

combi boilers

std boilers

gas cookers

gas fires

gas water heaters

and then all the above again for LPG

then all the above again for 'Lesisure' caravans etc

tantamount to a spark only being certed for cookers and lights but NOT sockets...I don't thinke we would stand for that........... :coat

From what I know Dave's English though,,, not even a Celt LOL

Gas guys have to be retested every 5 years and from what I know it's by a local college - once tey've passed their exams they can re-register with Gas Safe

 

[professional]

What Rob Roy said plusbullet point........Why can the sale of electrical materials NOT be restricted to qualified electricians?

Because most registered sparks are not "qualified electricians" and therefore could not purchase their materials?

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I would like to see independent assessments, pass and join any scheme you like, but not tested by them.

This has been suggested many times BUT asssessment is where the Schemes make ALOT of money - and it is difficult to create an income stream of a failed non-member ....