Rewire needed 2 - The saga continues (unlike the cpc)

[Couleddie]

Thanks for the advice folks. Raised a few important points that i'm taking on board.

The 32A for the cooker and the separate up/down rings are wise recommendations and i'll be looking into the lights in more detail.

That's exactly the reason I posted in such detail. Yes, I do have no formal qualifications at the moment (ongoing as we speak) so some of my terminology may be a little off the mark but I wouldn't be tackling something I was clearly not confident in completing safely. The very reason I finally decided to get qualified is because i've seen crap work many times even by qualified electricians and it seriously concerns me. I'm quite clear about the need for detailed calculations and testing. These will all be done. It's quite simple - if I can't do it, I won't do it. I'll just ask you lot instead.

I may not have the qualifications yet but I care as much about safety as anyone who has.

As for shower and immersion. The house has a combi boiler and there'll be spare capacity on the CU should anyone want to fit a shower in the future.

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

Thanks for the advice folks. Raised a few important points that i'm taking on board. The 32A for the cooker and the separate up/down rings are wise recommendations and i'll be looking into the lights in more detail.

That's exactly the reason I posted in such detail. Yes, I do have no formal qualifications at the moment (ongoing as we speak) so some of my terminology may be a little off the mark but I wouldn't be tackling something I was clearly not confident in completing safely. The very reason I finally decided to get qualified is because i've seen crap work many times even by qualified electricians and it seriously concerns me. I'm quite clear about the need for detailed calculations and testing. These will all be done. It's quite simple - if I can't do it, I won't do it. I'll just ask you lot instead.

I may not have the qualifications yet but I care as much about safety as anyone who has.

As for shower and immersion. The house has a combi boiler and there'll be spare capacity on the CU should anyone want to fit a shower in the future.

Ah! you posts make a bit ore sense then....

I was going to say for a qualified sparky you sound a bit amateurish in your descriptions. :|

 

[Couleddie]

Ah! you posts make a bit ore sense then.... I was going to say for a qualified sparky you sound a bit amateurish in your descriptions. :|

True. I understand what i'm doing/saying but explaining it to someone who is trained is always going to be in simplified terminology. Give it a year or so and i'll be talking and thinking like a true sparky Pray.

 

[Robojin]

Just a word of caution Couleddie....

Not withstanding the fact that if you replace the C/U and the accessories but not the cable IMHO you take responsibility for the WHOLE circuit, if the join on the Garage circuit is an example of the current work you are leaving yourself wide open to future issues

To further comment on possibility of the Supply having a fused Neutral (a practice banned in 1955 apparently) I had one of these recently and felt that the 70 year old supply head was a HSE risk that fell under Code 1, after a number of calls to EDF it was replaced by their Emergency team, I had to remind EDF on several of the calls on their "duty of care" and the potential danger to the consumer, they really had no choice in respect to HSE

 

[wozz]

was a HSE risk that fell under Code 1

i agree with you on the safety issue, but how can this be put on a periodic as it is outside 7671?

I thought the most that could be done was advise customer, call DNO and send a letter to both if you have to?

 

[Couleddie]

Not withstanding the fact that if you replace the C/U and the accessories but not the cable IMHO you take responsibility for the WHOLE circuit, if the join on the Garage circuit is an example of the current work you are leaving yourself wide open to future issues

No, I wasn't leaving this cable, only the lighting but i've reconsidered that now. Seems to me from various posts that the only course of action is a full rewire. Then, no issues with the unknown. The extra work will be minimal. The lights and switches are well positioned so it's just a case of simple renewal. Job done, no further work required.

 

[Robojin]

was a HSE risk that fell under Code 1i agree with you on the safety issue, but how can this be put on a periodic as it is outside 7671?

I thought the most that could be done was advise customer, call DNO and send a letter to both if you have to?

I seem to recall reading in in some NIC guidelines that a fuse N be classed Code 1 as a supply configuration in need of immediate replacement, seems EDF agreed although they stalled for a few days, as to 7671 yes you are probably correct in that context

 

[Couleddie]

Interesting development today. I've managed to get involved in a load of personal domestic politics which, on reading between the lines, boils down to the fact that the partner of my friend is peeved because his DIY electrical installations have been proved (by someone with no formal qualifications) to be less than perfect. A case of dented ego I think.

Two electricians have been called in for quotes. I've not been involved here but the first one recommended an entire rewire costing

 

[Robojin]

Interesting development today. I've managed to get involved in a load of personal domestic politics which, on reading between the lines, boils down to the fact that the partner of my friend is peeved because his DIY electrical installations have been proved (by someone with no formal qualifications) to be less than perfect. A case of dented ego I think. Two electricians have been called in for quotes. I've not been involved here but the first one recommended an entire rewire costing

 

[elvis]

This may start a whole how fast/slow/expensive are you debate, and it's difficult to say without seeing it but 2 grand seems a bit light to me, you seem like quite a conscientious (had to F7 that one!) guy and 2 grand for a conscientious job isnae much, also, 2 grand for a 3 bed mid terrace??

I done a 3 bed semi last year (as a favour) for 2 grand and walked away feeling like I'd left me vest, y-fronts and favourite blue suede steelies on the job! The Missus of my pal wasn't shy when it came to dishing out the most irritating snagging list you have ever seen in your life when it came to pay day either!

Dug eat dug I suppose... and it's January!!

?:-/

 

[Couleddie]

There's another spark going in on Wednesday. Be interesting to see what he comes in at. The work doesn't actually look that bad. Floors have been up not too long ago for heating. Nothing looks too complicated - pretty routine stuff really.

 

[Andy™]

Floors have been up not too long ago for heating.

which means there will be pipes there and notched joists, so you would have to take board up away from here to drill holes.... so not really any benefit at all

 

[Couleddie]

which means there will be pipes there and notched joists, so you would have to take board up away from here to drill holes.... so not really any benefit at all

I was thinking more in terms of less cutting of boards and not actual cable routing.

 

[Andy™]

I was thinking more in terms of less cutting of boards and not actual cable routing.

maybe im missing something, but if there was previously removed boards with newly (or even old) pipes notched, then id be taking up a board further away so only possible use would be access to guide cable along?