Starting PIRs

[Manator]

The codes are subject to the examiners assessment at the time of inspection. The two code two,s that I gave was for a light switch at the bottom of a cellar staircase. The class II switch was broken and no earth was taken to the switch, I gave a code 2 for each, it could very easily have been a code 1, however the cellar door was locked and the only person with access was aware of the danger, therefore my risk assessment in this instance was that the risk posed no immediate danger, and as such a code 2 could only be given. This is by following the guidance provided, however it did not prevent me from giving a stern warning that it should be a priority to be replaced. The code 2 for no earth at a class II switch was given because of the fault with the broken cover, otherwise it would have been a code 4.

 

[Sidewinder]

By the way...I don't have the answer to this conundrum and have you tried to buy a copy of the 15th edition lately?!!

Sorry to drag an old thread up guys.

Steve,

This made me think, and yes I have, my red verison turned up today, as it was printed prior to my requiring to obtain my own regs booksI had never bought one!

The 15th was in place when I did my apprenticeship though.

Cheaper than the 17th too!

I got a copy of the 14th as well 1p!

In fact I have gone through my library & I have an early copy of the 16th prior to 7671 going and a few osg's from earlier versions if anyone is interested.

Found new copies of the blue 16th available too.

Now that has special significance in my line of work.

Anyone know why?...

 

[a1]

Is anyone in a position to take a clear picture of their 14th and 15th Edition Wiring regulations books and post them on here, please?

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Not wanting to get into that debate again, but perhaps its one of those areas that a newby would need to be shadowing a more experienced person for a while first, (?) .

But as already stated, there are way too many (even experienced) sparks out there mis-coding PIRS. (So it perhaps, will be a case of that new spark picking up bad habbits etc - with respect to codings).

 

[Watchdog]

Unsure why this thread had been closed - I have reopened it. (Sorry to Admin if reason just not clear to me)

It would be a good idea if the EIC put the previous versions of the regs on their site for online viewing or download.

 

[a1]

Thanks WD, A member has just PM'd to ask why it was closed. And truth be told - I have no idea? :|

 

[Manator]

It was not me this time

 

[Riggy]

At the risk of opening a can of worms:

The 15th edition came in during my apprenticeship, I therefore have reasonable, practical knowledge of the 15th, 16th & 17th.

When I'm doing a PIR do I consider whether it complied with the regs in force at the time? No!

This is my reasoning:

If I find something which isn't unsafe, doesn't comply with the current regs, but does comply with the regs when it was installed, it gets a code 4.

If I find something which isn't unsafe, doesn't comply with the current regs, AND doesn't comply with the regs when it was installed, it still gets a code 4.

Am I missing something?

 

[Sidewinder]

Riggy,

I think that is correct.

Non compliance as long as it is "safe" then is a code 4, regardless of which version of the regs as a current pir is to the 17th.

The thing is the issue comes when people start coding things 2 or 1 which should be 4 IMHO.

So if you find Red, White & Blue phase conductors that are correctly installed and sized, then they test OK, really the worst you could put, really is a 4 even though white went out in around '66 or even before, it is listed as a flex colour in the '66 ed of the 14th.

The wire may be past its best, but it could cost thousands to replace it, os it stays witha 4.

Coding is very subjective!

 

[meerkat]

Hi Gordy, have a look at the NICEIC guide to the "Domestic Periodic Inspection, Testing and Reporting" book, I bought mine a while back from WHSmiths online, do a search for NICEIC INSPECTION AND TESTING Books and you will find it, it retails at

 

[kerching]

I remember [only just] going out on 14th edition inspections. Entire 'certificate' was one sheet of A5...printed on one side....simples... :coat

 

[green-hornet]

I have just had a look through my old stuff it looks like I cleared out a load of books last tip day I had. I have found the Amicus handbook from 2000, but alas no mention of the relevant changes made from 15th to 16th.