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Managed to get pics showing access.
The shelf can easily be removed.
Whats your thoughts on swapping CU without cupboard disassembly?

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You have a rented flat, which must have had a satisfactory EICR by now. It’s the law

As for changing the board - ask the spark who does the EICR what he thinks
 
Managed to get pics showing access.
The shelf can easily be removed.
Whats your thoughts on swapping CU without cupboard disassembly?

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Even though the shelf can be removed it doesn't majorly improve the access to the CU and the service head / meter that much and a cupboard with an approx size of 1000mm x 550mm x 700mm will not give enough working space for an electrician to complete a CU change with ease once you factor in the access for tools and test kit

Even with the cupboard disassembled to swap the CU once it is reassembled I would suggest that it could still attract a minimum of a C3 code if not now certainly on future EICR's

Given that relocating the incoming cable, service head, metering and CU could become a major expense if it was even possible then the alternative is a redesign of the kitchen to improve the ease of access to the electrical equipment

Possibly not the solution you wanted but at some point the meter will be time expired and due for change which given the current setup you can't even get to the meter terminals
 
Managed to get pics showing access.
The shelf can easily be removed.
Whats your thoughts on swapping CU without cupboard disassembly?

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that reminds me of a job I once looked at, CU at the back of a kitchen cupboard. The customer had a new kitchen installed around the board, he was a college lecturer for the electrical courses... :ROFLMAO:
 
What is on the other-side of the wall the CU and DNO equipment is attached too?

Be interested to know where the DNO cables run?
 
You are NOT assessing the installation to the latest version of the regs, nor their to gauge against building regs

if anything it’s a comment so the next spark knows where to find it

there is no such thing as an EICR “fail”
Unsatisfactory means a FAILed safety report.
 
Unsatisfactory means a FAILed safety report.
Since when, please enlighten us

Unsatisfactory indicates the installation has issues that are non compliant with BS7671 the severity of which when coded reflect the overall standard of the installation and whether it is good for continued service or requires work carrying out to meet the required standard

I suppose you treat non compliance with the regs as an illegal act when BS7671 is not a statutory instrument and therefore has no legal standing other than it being and Approved Code Of Practice that is referenced in any legal cases where the use of electricity is a factor
 
I suppose you treat non compliance with the regs as an illegal act when BS7671 is not a statutory instrument and therefore has no legal standing other than it being and Approved Code Of Practice that is referenced in any legal cases where the use of electricity is a factor
BS7671 is not an "Approved Code of Practice" an ACOP can only be issued by the HSE with consent of the "Secretary of State" as guidance to a "Statutory Instrument" it is just a reference document of guidance, if you can prove that you exceeded the requirements of the guidance then BS7671 would not apply.

https://www.hse.gov.uk/legislation/legal-status.htm
 
No it doesn't - its either satisfactory or unsatisfactory
You clearly have a problem with the English language. If something is unsatisfactory it means it is unfit for purpose. In this case, not up to the requirements set by the regulations which in this case means it’s a failed report. So much unnecessary semantics on this platform. With PAT testing, its a fail or pass, they could have used satisfactory or unsatisfactory: same thing different words.
 
You clearly have a problem with the English language. If something is unsatisfactory it means it is unfit for purpose. In this case, not up to the requirements set by the regulations which in this case means it’s a failed report. So much unnecessary semantics on this platform. With PAT testing, its a fail or pass, they could have used satisfactory or unsatisfactory: same thing different words.

There are 2 possible outcomes for EICRs

Satisfactory

Or

Unsatisfactory


What’s your issue?
 
You clearly have a problem with the English language. If something is unsatisfactory it means it is unfit for purpose. In this case, not up to the requirements set by the regulations which in this case means it’s a failed report. So much unnecessary semantics on this platform. With PAT testing, its a fail or pass, they could have used satisfactory or unsatisfactory: same thing different words.
No the Report does not fail. Satisfactory or unsatisfactory refers to the installation and this is how it is worded.
 
You clearly have a problem with the English language. If something is unsatisfactory it means it is unfit for purpose.
Not necessarily, I've tested many old electrical systems that are in good condition, safe to use, but are no where near being up to date, so lacking RCDs, wooden wylex boards, etc etc. If the homeowner is happy with a system like that, it's their choice to have it upgraded or not, despite an eicr full of codes, and observations. For rental purposes I would not consider such a system acceptable. It's a bit like owning. Morris Minor, it's your choice to drive an antique vehicle, but you wouldn't want to rent a vehicle like that for a family holiday. Possibly not the best analogy, but you get my drift.
 
There are 2 possible outcomes for EICRs

Satisfactory

Or

Unsatisfactory


What’s your issue?

people are stupid. pass / fail is often easier for the idiots you're giving the report to (especially landlords) to understand. sat/unsat by the book, in reality pass / fail is often easier to communicate

same with consumer unit / fuse box. ask where the consumer unit is and you often get a blank look, ask where fusebox is and they often know...
 
You clearly have a problem with the English language.
I believe it is you that has the problem with the English language or to narrow it down the grammatical context when it comes to definition of the words in use
If something is unsatisfactory it means it is unfit for purpose. In this case, not up to the requirements set by the regulations which in this case means it’s a failed report.
Further to your English language issues you clearly have a problem in the wider understanding of BS 7671 in it's current and previous versions and incarnations including when it was the IEE regs
While an installation may attract an unsatisfactory outcome on an EICR that does not necessarily mean that it is not in good order and safe for continued use. An FI on an EICR automatically makes the outcome unsatisfactory, so does an FI mean the installation is unsafe and if it was it should really be given a C2 or even a C1 code
To move on from pass or fail to the one that really winds me up if an installation deviates from the regs is it illegal or non compliant, how many times do you go onsite and someone has been told that their installation is illegal.
So much unnecessary semantics on this platform.
Some may call it a considered interpretation of what is intended by a specific regulation or a group of regulations to the less educated that may be deemed semantics

With PAT testing, its a fail or pass, they could have used satisfactory or unsatisfactory: same thing different words.
ISITEE is a bit more clear cut you plug it into the tester and press the button wait for a short period and the meter tells you the outcome that assumes it has passed the visual inspection prior to being plugged into the tester the more complicated bit is defining what the retest period should be relative to the appliances use and abuse, with the EICR there is no clear pass / fail an installation could be ok for continued use as it still meets the requrements of the regs it was originally installed to although it may benefit from some updating to bring it up to the current regulations hence an unsatisfactory outcome

How do you compare an EICR to ISITEE, an EICR done properly will take anything from a few hours for a small installation like a flat to a number of days or weeks on a large commercial property an appliance test done properly will take around 5 minutes, the documentation for an EICR takes longer for one circuit than it takes to note the serial number of an appliance, so it is not a good comparison
 
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🤣😂 All this drama over whether someone says a report has failed or is unsatisfactory! The levels of pedantry on this platform is ridiculous. Everyone in their right mind knows what is meant by unsatisfactory, satisfactory, passed and failed, especially in this context.
 
🤣😂 All this drama over whether someone says a report has failed or is unsatisfactory! The levels of pedantry on this platform is ridiculous. Everyone in their right mind knows what is meant by unsatisfactory, satisfactory, passed and failed, especially in this context.
There is no drama just plain old facts as stated in BS 7671 and GN3 with no mention of pass or fail only satisfactory or unsatisfactory is used

I suggest you go away and get yourself re-educated on the subject of inspection and test rather than being troll that I have just added to 101
 
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