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[Manator]

I hate it when people bring racism into debates in order to  justify their standing. I have not seen one racist remark in the whole of this thread.

Not one person has stated that all Polish are bad or all Romanians are bad or that they are all the same. The examples given have been witnessed and duly noted. As I stated in one of my earlier posts the trends mentioned has fallen off now and not as common place as it was, that does not mean however that it does not still happen.

To bring the Nazi's into the debate shows how those who like to tar everyone as racist know very little about both the Nazi regime and the definition of Racist. At least two Britons that I know of, greatly influenced the thinking behind the Nazi thinking along with other Europeans that were not German.

 

[Essex1]

I hate it when people bring racism into debates in order to  justify their standing. I have not seen one racist remark in the whole of this thread.

Not one person has stated that all Polish are bad or all Romanians are bad or that they are all the same. The examples given have been witnessed and duly noted. As I stated in one of my earlier posts the trends mentioned has fallen off now and not as common place as it was, that does not mean however that it does not still happen.

To bring the Nazi's into the debate shows how those who like to tar everyone as racist know very little about both the Nazi regime and the definition of Racist. At least two Britons that I know of, greatly influenced the thinking behind the Nazi thinking along with other Europeans that were not German.

You have to accept that there are posts here that make sweeping generalisations of foreigners. I and many other people would consider those a racist remarks. Now the person saying them may well not realise this because they come from an age when this was accepted. It is no longer acceptable to speak about foreigners in these ways. 

If if you read the Nazi comment you would understand that my point was hyperthetical and that IF we behaved like that we would be aligning ourselves with that way of thinking. Which of course we never will do. That was my point and any half intelligent person would understand this. 

Sooner admin gets my pm the better. 

 

[Sharpend]

Essex, I ask you, if you moved abroad and worked with fellow English workers in and amongst the nationals and you didn't work the way in which they do and you or your colleagues couldn't communicate with them do you not think they would say 'these bleeding foreigners come over here doing our work and can't even communicate how much of a level playing field when they don't live like we do' 

would they be being racist? 

 

[Manator]

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Sooner admin gets my pm the better. 

If it is important to you and you would not like to wait you could PM a moderator with your concerns.

All moderators have to act without prejudice and must act fairly

 

[Murdoch]

When in Rome do as the Romans do.

My experience of EE sparks is that they don't refer to BS 7671

 

[M107]

No the chiefs are Poles.......

Polish run, polish workers, 10 in a house.....

you only need to take a walk around St Mary's & Shirley to see it in operation.

 

[M107]

And I am just saying never in a million years would that happen.

Hmmmmmmmmmm people said much the same about many things that have happened between 1938 & now.

• A disillusioned & beaten nation falling for the rhetoric of a fine oratist & not realising what an error they have made until it is too late & they are then too scared to speak out for change.
  
• National Socialism rise to power
  
• Annexation of countries.
  
• Imprisonment of civilians in jungle camps.
  
• Internment of alien nationals
  
• Birkenau
  
• Sobibor
  
• Forced labour building railways
  
• Building of the iron curtain
  
• Fall of the iron curtain.
  
• Genocide in bosnia
  
• Rape camps
  
• A caliphate
  
• Rendition
  
• Water boarding
  
• Trump
  

The list is endless but what I'm trying to say is anything is possible.

All it takes is for a population to have the undercurrent of been hard done by, A political party that offers what the population want to hear.

Some good propaganda & media controlled influence from the party, a sense of things getting better if others are forced out expelled or locked up.

This is then followed up with a hidden self policing agenda (think Stasi, gestapo, Kempeitai, KGB) where the population spy & report on each other for all manner of minor infractions......................and there you have it a state where your wife & kids (as they are half foreign genetic make up) are gone & you if you complain end up in a re-education camp if you are lucky.

Why will this not happen here....well at the moment we as a nation I think & hope have a fair moral compass & the population would stand together & say no! 

But nothing in this life is written in stone.

 

[steptoe]

Hmmmmmmmmmm people said much the same about many things that have happened between 1938 & now.

• A disillusioned & beaten nation falling for the rhetoric of a fine oratist & not realising what an error they have made until it is too late & they are then too scared to speak out for change.
  
• National Socialism rise to power
  
• Annexation of countries.
  
• Imprisonment of civilians in jungle camps.
  
• Internment of alien nationals
  
• Birkenau
  
• Sobibor
  
• Forced labour building railways
  
• Building of the iron curtain
  
• Fall of the iron curtain.
  
• Genocide in bosnia
  
• Rape camps
  
• A caliphate
  
• Rendition
  
• Water boarding
  
• Trump
  

The list is endless but what I'm trying to say is anything is possible.

All it takes is for a population to have the undercurrent of been hard done by, A political party that offers what the population want to hear.

Some good propaganda & media controlled influence from the party, a sense of things getting better if others are forced out expelled or locked up.

This is then followed up with a hidden self policing agenda (think Stasi, gestapo, Kempeitai, KGB) where the population spy & report on each other for all manner of minor infractions......................and there you have it a state where your wife & kids (as they are half foreign genetic make up) are gone & you if you complain end up in a re-education camp if you are lucky.

Why will this not happen here....well at the moment we as a nation I think & hope have a fair moral compass & the population would stand together & say no! 

But nothing in this life is written in stone.

There is a little island just to the west of us where families have been divided, sides have been taken,

And all for what,???

Hatred and power,

I'm not going to drag this down hopefully,

Simply pointing out how close to home stuff like this is

Btw, it's an ongoing thing in some areas, fall in love with the wrong person and you are a leper

 

[poni]

There is a little island just to the west of us where families have been divided, sides have been taken,

And all for what,???

Hatred and power,

I'm not going to drag this down hopefully,

Simply pointing out how close to home stuff like this is

Btw, it's an ongoing thing in some areas, fall in love with the wrong person and you are a leper

Here here, well said

 

[M107]

Yes I was going to add the issues there to the list.

shame it took mothers getting on the streets to kick start a change, unfortunately it looks to be going the wrong way again.

 fall in love with the wrong person and you are a leper

Only one thing from my experience seemed to upset the inhabitants of some areas more,  walking round in DPM & a helmet........... every twonk wanted to take a potshot one minute then go crying the media when they get a hammering from the other side  :C

 

[poni]

Yes I was going to add the issues there to the list.

shame it took mothers getting on the streets to kick start a change, unfortunately it looks to be going the wrong way again.

Only one thing from my experience seemed to upset the inhabitants of some areas more,  walking round in DPM & a helmet........... every twonk wanted to take a potshot one minute then go crying the media when they get a hammering from the other side  :C

you forgot about the SLR/AS80 you were holding

 

[Sharpend]

When in Rome do as the Romans do.

My experience of EE sparks is that they don't refer to BS 7671

I once had one tell me he was working to the 20th edition of bs7671, personally I didn't know that Lithuania was that much of an advanced country, but s'pose as I haven't been there I'm not likely to know so just thanked him for his knowledge!!

 

[Evans Electric]

Hmmmmmm! Interesting !   We have gone from offering help to Swannee in quoting a shop wiring job to  :- 

Price per point

Advice on his rate.

Not to supply materials.

Tata steel'

Rumanians doing cheap rewires.

Slovakians.

Poles.

Overheads

Temporary lts etc

VAT

Racism

Muslims

Emgy ltg

Risk assessments

Voting to exit the EU

Ex pats in Spain

HMRC  & NI

Nazi Germany

Hitler

Fawlty Towers

Fingers in ears singing  la la la la

The Irish Problem.

I assume Swannee has beaten a hasty retreat . 

Now then ...this new  guy who is asking about rewiring a shop ....how far did we get . ?  :innocent

 

[Murdoch]

Lord only knows...... more than 1 person has "bypassed" the swear filter so fingers crossed that the mods reprimanded them!

 

[poni]

The Irish Problem

as a great man once said "Its not an Irish Problem, its a British one"  

 

[Doc Hudson]

For the sake of SwanSpark I will try to summaries: 1 hour per point is a useful rough time calculation. Don't forget to allow for delays due to other trades/contractors. Don't allow any customer to dictate what mark-up you apply to any materials you supply. Make sure your price includes allowance for your 'admin' time; designing, ordering, collecting materials, certification etc. plus a bit more in case you have to do any warranty replacement work. If you are trying to run a successful business do not try and match/undercut cheaper competition unless you can still make a good profit. (buying jobs at a loss only leads to failure). Don't forget to ensure all relevant insurance is in place to cover your full liabilities for the type of work you do. If things do go belly up you must have yourself covered. Cheaper competition from various nationalities will always be around the corner, but good customers will always be wiling to pay for quality workmanship completed on time on the agreed date. Sell yourself properly to get the best price and do exactly what you promise when you say you will and you reputation will be enhanced.

Doc H.